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The Jehovah's Witness Meal Delivery Program

by kents_ghost in

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the jehovah's witness meal delivery program.

jehovah's witnesses want to receive government funds in order to launch a free meal delivery service to help out the poor and disabled.

jehovah's witnesses will go door to door delivering meals, preparing the food, and also helping the disabled out with various household chores and errands.

President Bush and his disclosure headace.

by Okidok in

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on august 18, 22 days into her hunger strike, lara announced on.

take her presidential hunger strike to washington, d.c. and the.

extraterrestrial craft, technologies, and civilizations by.

DCs Ghost

hey oki i sent a link to this thread to a bunch of friends who believe.

my take on aliens is that because the New York Times reported the crash in roswell,nm the following morning after it happened it held some truth, truth that many may not want todeal with

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Duns, et al, Free Will Vs. Determinism

by larc in

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what is your opinion on free will versus determinism?

my feeling on the subject is pretty schizophrenic.

as a person, i believe in free will.

DCs Ghost

which takes us to why they did get together, which usually is a matter of choice, and timing,

to suggest that behavior and actions are a result of one's genes is dismissing any responsibility for one's actions, thus giving a possible rise in acting up in a sociopathic way,

perhaps there are certain factors within our system that create certain interests or abilities, that affect out moods, temperament or a even a particular taste for a certain food or other, i could see this being "governed" within our cells, because of what we acquire through heredity,

but when it comes down to our day to day choices what we crave and whether we choose McD's or Wendy's,
coke or pepsi these are free will choices,

the same in the case of who we hook up with, who we take home at the end of the nite (though usually alcohol influences this) what music we listen to, what books we read, what religion we choose as adults, these i feel fall into the free will category,

i would have to favor free will, whether it be from lack of knowledge about determinism or because i fancy myself as an independent thinker not restricting myself to anyone's ideaologies but open to new thoughts,

just a thought,
what if the thought of free will is already programmed into our "determined" dna,
it would be kinda like holding two mirrors against each other and trying to see the last of their reflections. . .

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Duns, et al, Free Will Vs. Determinism

by larc in

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what is your opinion on free will versus determinism?

my feeling on the subject is pretty schizophrenic.

as a person, i believe in free will.

DCs Ghost

Hey Larc,
took me a few days, but at your request i came over to this thread, i hadn't been on in a while so i had no idea this one was going on, gotta say there are lots of interesting ideas being thrown back and forth,

and being that i am coming in late to this discussion, i will first address the original question of the thread,
free will vs. determinism,

prior to this thread i had never heard the psychological term 'determinism' , so asfar as giving you my stance on it, the best i can do is respond by inference from what i understand it to be from your posts, and my perspective of the world. . .

a little insight to my train of thoughts,
i pretty much have come to the conclusion that there are no absolutes, with the exception of absolute zero of course, the speed of light and photosynthesis,
many factors have taken me to this stand,

among those are: being raised as a dub, and having to trade in my beliefs, in order to find myself and in order to create a real view of the future not the fairy tale one that was fed to me growing up,

the changes in technology,
one example, cds were the ultimate in sound reproduction but now we have dvdas which hold a many more ridiculous amounts of megabytes which allows sound engineers much more flexibility and possibilities on what can be produced as far as a cd in both quality of sound and speed in recording,

and back to the church,
how many times they change their minds about what exactly is the truth, ie heliocentric vs. geocentric, disposing of witches, and their stand on birth control,

so before i drift away from the subject at hand, at some point my mind tweaked and i realized that i pretty much couldn't hold anything as an absolute because sooner or later something would affect it and change it, a new theory would evolve and replace,

with that said, i have come to accept, acknowledge, and learn thru and by experience, (quite the continous and ongoing process) for that is the ultimate truth IMO, nothing is learned better than by pesonally undergoing and exposing oneself - whether by will or by chance - to anything that will alter one's perspective and through these gain insight into a realm that at one time was unfamiliar . . . .

determinism from what i understand, works within our cells genes, dna, and these determine our personality and such and because of these, they influence our actions. . .

ok first off, if i have understood this correctly on a very basic level,
being that psychology is a soft science and that theories are constantly evolving, this theory of determinism because it is a theory, it is open to being questioned regardless of how much may be written for and against, likewise as with free will,

this is where the previous ramble ties in, as far as i know and my family knows there are no musicians in my family with the exception of me, so as to how this came about, it would be unlikely for me to say that it was in my genes, but at the same time i can vouche that it was not a choice in the matter, i have always wanted to be a musician always been drawn to music as far back as i can remember, how this suports or negates the theory of determinism, i am not sure, the closest thing to having any ties with art in my family is the fact the fact that my mom is a seamstress, granted it is an art form but far from music,

growing up in the borg this "gift" was frowned upon but knowing that it was a passion i pursued it, that was a conscious choice, i could have chosen to ignore and obey, but i would not have been true to myself, thus again a matter of choice, and as far as i know as long as i can make choices, regardless what they may be, i do as i will, within certain guidelines i am free to do what i want, whenever i want and as long as the cash flow allows it, thus giving me free will, no negative consequenquences followed my choice, fire didn't fall from the sky, etc.

if indeed we are predisposed to certain influences, because our dna sais so, that is all fine and dandy but the fact that our dna is a certain way is because of the two individuals that bonded and created us. . .
more in the next box i dont want ot loose this

"we do not see the world as it is,
we see the world as we are. . ." Anais Nin

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on being born imperfect. . .

by DCs Ghost in

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growing up in the borg we were always told that we are decendants of adam and eve and because they fu**ed up we have to pay the price and accept jebus as redemption for our sins.

.. the analogy that comes to mind (surprisingly) after all these years, was that of a baker with a dented pan- anything baked in that would mold to that shape.

.. i have a retort for such a train of thought, if you cut the tails off of 2 mice and let them mate, will their offspring be born with a tail?.

DCs Ghost

yep, seems that way,
but wasn't it also written somewhere in the live forever book?
dc

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on being born imperfect. . .

by DCs Ghost in

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growing up in the borg we were always told that we are decendants of adam and eve and because they fu**ed up we have to pay the price and accept jebus as redemption for our sins.

.. the analogy that comes to mind (surprisingly) after all these years, was that of a baker with a dented pan- anything baked in that would mold to that shape.

.. i have a retort for such a train of thought, if you cut the tails off of 2 mice and let them mate, will their offspring be born with a tail?.

DCs Ghost

growing up in the borg we were always told that we are decendants of adam and eve and because they fu**ed up we have to pay the price and accept jebus as redemption for our sins. . .

the analogy that comes to mind (surprisingly) after all these years, was that of a baker with a dented pan- anything baked in that would mold to that shape. . .

i have a retort for such a train of thought, if you cut the tails off of 2 mice and let them mate, will their offspring be born with a tail?

im sure you see where i am going with this. . .

peace
dc

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Christmas Star = Satan?!

by reagan_oconnor in

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i was talking with my husband the other day about the jw's belief that the "christmas star" that guided the magi to christ was the doings of satan.

he didn't believe me; this is what i found in the "my book of bible stories" (copied verbatim from cd-rom).

who do you think made that new star to shine?

DCs Ghost

Friday

so what you are saying in your response to me earlier, is that men who were astrologers/astronomers by profession "concluded" that the "star" moved (2 very broad assumptions for their like) and at NO moment found it odd in the least that a "new light" --pardon the pun-- was lingering in the sky.

HHMMMM. . . . .
so the fact that they studied the heavens and the movements of stars for a living, did not make them wonder
"What IS THAT???!!!???!!!!???!!!!, that wasn't there last night" kinda hard to overlook something so bright don't you think?

according to the legend you hold so dear, prior to that night that particular "star" was not in the sky, correct?

so these star gazers, could have possibly been led by curiosity being that this light was not previously charted if indeed that is the case. . .
after all IF they were led by satan then why did they not go through with the killing? damn that would have been a long wasted trip to not finalize the reason they began it. . .

simplicity is a beautiful thing man. . .

oh yeah, you still have not cited a biblical sripture supporting that satan was the origin of the light,
that is the reason this thread was started afterall,
all you have given is scriptural "dub-reasoning"

found in the book of Interpretations 3:16, right next to the verses that speak about smoking cigarettes, celebrating birthdays, and not going to discoteques,

peace
dc

ps what ever did happen to the light the night after they left?

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Christmas Star = Satan?!

by reagan_oconnor in

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i was talking with my husband the other day about the jw's belief that the "christmas star" that guided the magi to christ was the doings of satan.

he didn't believe me; this is what i found in the "my book of bible stories" (copied verbatim from cd-rom).

who do you think made that new star to shine?

DCs Ghost

oh yeah one more thing. . .
where did the magi follow the star to,
Jerusalem
or
Bethelhem???

peace
dc

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Christmas Star = Satan?!

by reagan_oconnor in

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i was talking with my husband the other day about the jw's belief that the "christmas star" that guided the magi to christ was the doings of satan.

he didn't believe me; this is what i found in the "my book of bible stories" (copied verbatim from cd-rom).

who do you think made that new star to shine?

DCs Ghost

Hey Friday hold a mirror to this one. . . .

lets step away from all bible "reasoning"---don't you love a good oxymoron?-----and think things clear

you ever walk outside at nighttime and see, oh i don't know, the moon lets say, as an example, and you ever notice what happens to it when you walk, call me bizarre but as a young one i used to look up at it when i walked outside, i still do sometimes if the skyline isn't blocking it, anyhows if you look at the moon while you walk it seems to follow you, ahead of you---
that wasn't a typo, it seems to move in the same direction that you are moving try it sometime and you will see what i mean

i like to reason things and i like proof, call me doubting thomas if you will, and i'm sorry it seems as though i may be mocking your beliefs but the question originally posed was dealing with scriptural proof for the "star" you have not offered any, sorry

all you said was that by taking the"evidence" and reasoning on it it leads one to think that satan was responsible for it. . . .bottom line no scriptural quote or documentation to back up the assumption
it is very typical to point the finger and blame satan for all of jehovah's fuck ups

in my other post i mentioned the possibility of it being a comet,
(and i am NOT surprised this was not commented on by you or anyone else)these are among the few things in the sky that move at an obvious rate, granted so do stars and the planets but to the untrained observer their movements are miniscule,

a comet's movement can be noticed, a meteor(shooting star) can too but it disintegrates too fast and cannot be tracked with the same ease as that of a comet, a comet even holds its "position" long enough to be tracked and "followed"

question for you what happened to this "star" after he was born???

i just thought of another possibility, this is far fetched but i would have to look at astronomy charts and i really don't know how feasable it would be or if it could actually be witnessed without a telescope, a supernova, perhaps someone who knows a little more on these could elaborate on the possibility of such a phenemena and how long the duration of the blast would be visible, keep in mind though that the explosion would have occured light years prior to its being seen on earth. . . . .perhaps the conception of Jesus millenia ago in heaven prolly not just a "simple" astronomical occurence. . .

so think about this a bit and drop the book for a while and get some air

peace
dc

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Wrong date

by tattoogrl333 in

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hello i'm new to the whole jw study thing, but they said it fell in 607 but due to the advice of others here i looked it up.

i found in 3 encyclopedia's online that it fell in 586. i printed them out and am going to get more.

i'm going to show the lady i study with, i'm just curious what you think will happen, and if she will try to deny it.

DCs Ghost

just a thought i want to throw out there,
if the second coming is spiritual then how can we time/date it with physical time???

think about this for a few minutes. . . .

the second coming which is a supposed spiritual event, would be seen by spiritual eyes not physical ones, making it a personal event for the individual to experience on his/her own and at his/her own time when they are ready to "see" it.

another related issue is time,
the bible states that a day is like a thousand years and vice versa,
if you use this time metaphor to measure time
then indeed what jesus said about only the father knowing the time of the end would be so
cause in reality no one knows how SHE really measures time up there
any attempt to predict the last days would be as accurate as Chuck Russell's measurement of the pyramids. . .

as far as the year 0, i'm sure god knew about its inexistence. . . [8>]

dc